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i see everyone talking in this forum about that learning some basic isolations
like grags grip, walking isolation, and the finger roll is something
u learn pretty fast

for me its totally different

im into cj for about 5 months now practicing much and i just dont improve in these 3 things

for me a chest roll for example was MUCH easier to learn than this hellish grags grip it just continues to wobble
walking isolation is just a pain

so i do it super slow but how can i do it super slow on my palm there are no fingers to ceep control should i learn to stall the ball on the edge of my palm?

but the worst part is the finger roll especially with the fingers lifted
i cant lift the ring finger when the middle finger is folded many of my friends which i asked did it easylie the first time but i just can get the ring finger up
i practice it like in the videos like moschen etc. finger finger finger finger finger and so on
maybe i have shortened finger sinew or something

if anyone has a good advice on this i would be glad some finger excercises to get this damm ring finger up or something

palm circle was also much easier to learn dunno why im quite stable at this one

anyway sorry for whining so much i just needed to lose some steam

i wont give up and i still enjoy cj very much even if it doesnt sound like that right now

im sure i can do it someday!

so maybe u got some adivces

thx for reading

well, i think that a chest roll is also easier than a good isolation.

solid isolations will take time and a lot of practice. but what you can do is work on your finger dexterity by means of stretching, finger games, mind games, health diet and making you good with your left and your right hand ( there is a word for this )

i would like to post some finger games but i have to search for it on the internet

Ah, isolations: one of the first tricks to pick up and the last mastered.

1. Slow down. This is always the first in any list of CJ advice, of course.

2. Yes, you should learn to stall the ball on weird parts of your hand. Just as you can condition your hand to hold a ball in the cradle position, you can learn to gently manipulate the ball with your palm muscles - once you get them strong and sensitive through LOTS of practice.

3. Squeeze-ups and walking isolations are some of my worst as well. It is entirely because I didn't practice them often or correctly enough; same cause as 99% of the other problems in CJ, in my opinion. Keep at it, stay patient, and just iron it out as slowly and with as good form as you can muster. It'll solidify someday.

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controlling the speed of the ball without using your fingers is mostly done by adjusting the angle of the surface that the ball is rolling on. if you want to ball to roll very slowly on your palms, keep your palms almost parallel to the ground, and tilt them forward more if you want the ball to roll faster. same thing with any form of arm roll, the more level your arm is, the slower the ball will move across it.

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I feel your pain, my isolations are terrible and I've been CJing for longer than 5 months. However the I suspect you may be improving more than you think. The better you get at isolations the more you realise how far from perfect they are. What may look like a horrible wobbling greg's grip to your trained eye may look like a magical floating bubble to someone who has never seen CJ.

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This one of the great truths of contact. I can remember a few occasions when I was dissatisfied with an isolation only for someone to come up and say it was looking much better.

Video can be a useful tool here - it will help you see the sort of progress you're making.

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My isolations come and go, depending on how much I am practicing them. I am in the high of busking season right now, so they are dead tight at times, and you can tell in your audience how good they are.

Keep it up, show people, it's hard work.

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if i didn't have past videos to look at of myself, i would swear i didn't make any progress.

pen spinning could be something to look into for finger exercises.

Yip my old videos help me see my progression. If I'm working on something and getting nowhere I watch my first video and see myself struggling with the cradle. It encourages me to keep practicing.

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Yeah, I found a video that I posted 2 years ago. It makes me cringe.

this gives really much motivation thank you

i can constantly think the more it moves the better i get during practice haha

one more thing

when doing claw isolation what do you think is better

doing a whole turn with the wrist or just moving the fingers?

i think its much easier with the fingers and when you do it carefully u can keep the finger away from behind the acrylic so you can see all the time through

i try to move both..but if i had to chose id chose the wrist so u get little bit more movement

um, you should do both. with out a doubt in my mind. The more body movement and less sphere movement the better the illusion.

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Umm, is there a difference between Greg's grip and the claw iso?

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exactly, i agree completely ..if u can move your body it looks even better! =)