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So today I was working on outside elbow stalls and I stumbled across a "problem". While I can outside arm roll just fine when ever I think about how I would stop the ball in the right spot I twitch my arm and send the ball toward my bicep(rolls fine though...maybe I should just go with it? haha) being the type never to quit my body quickly compensates by flexing and "tossing" the ball to the right spot, while it does look cool, it's not what I want as far as the "normal" trick goes. And while I'm probably going to work on the flex stall toss thing anyhow, and see if I can come up with some awesome combo that makes it work I'd like to know if anyone has had a similar problem and how they came to fixing it.

I have this exact same problem! It's like the ball just wants to keep rolling right up to your shoulder, yes?

... I like to think this will make learning chestrolls a breeze later on, haha - but it does get pretty frustrating when I just want the ball to stop on my elbow. I'll second the request for any tips/troubleshooting

The stronger the stall, the stronger the roll. And yes, the ball will eventually take that path to a chestroll, but that ain't the move your drilling, eh?

yes exactly, it just goes on up like it's saying "hey mang hows about a trip around yah chest to the other arm" but I'm trying to tell it, "Slow down lad, right now this is where you belong." The other part of my problem though, is my body KNOWs where the ball is supossed to be, and my bicep twitchs and the ball jumps onto my elbow again, now it doesn't look smooth by anymeans, but sometimes it does stall.

You'll have chestrolls going long before you have a completely solid OES in my opinion. OES is hard as hell unless you've got naturally bony dimply elbows.
Chestroll, the stall points are just on the cradles, and you've already got them down right?

Best trick I ever heard for OES (courtesy of Dark5tar) is this: start rolling the ball up and down your arm, putting a reversal in the middle... not a stall, just up ...reverse... back down to cradle. Do this at first with short rolls, say up to wrist or mid forearm, then gradually get them longer. The reason It works is because it teaches you exactly when and where you have to start 'puttin' on the brakes'. That's 80% of the move right there. The other 20% is just having a solid stall point.

I've had a similar problem. The ball just doesn't want to stall and just ends up falling off the arm, but stretching out the arms slightly when the ball reaches the elbow puts it on the perfect path for a chestroll (so long as it is done just right). I've just been going straight onto chestrolls and trying to perfect them, while doing a similar thing to what Oct suggested and learning to control my armrolls. Now both of these moves are getting steadily better.

The most annoying thing for me is that my dad has dips in his elbows that make perfect stall points, but nature didn't see fit to pass on this particular piece of genetics (I seem to have gotten everything else from him though :S).

thanks all, at least I know I wasn't alone in the matter. Oct that's really good advice you gave that you got from someone else.(lol) I'm going to stop thinking too far ahead and work on working my way up, small steps equal smaller but more frequent victories right? I just get impatient because after 12-15 hours of work a day, I don't really have time to practice, so I try big steps haha.

you can thank drew for this one.

SLOW DOWN. GO AS SLOW AS POSSABLE. THEN GO SLOWER!!!

sorry for caps but it gets the point across nicley.

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