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PostPosted: 28 Jun 2012, 18:20 
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this is my submission for this week. After crossing the arms from the previous move, both batons spin anti-parallel (one clockwise and the other the opposite way) The right hand is doing a 1/1 anti-spin and the left 1/1 spin-spin. When they complete a full circle and arms are crossed again we change to the opposite (left hand is doing a 1/1 anti-spin and the right 1/1 spin-spin)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZvf4AInhrI

As for the next move to follow, i really like Pich's bouncing. Keeping one baton still and really steady as a clean line while you move the other, is not as easy as it looks ;)
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PostPosted: 29 Jun 2012, 18:14 
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Sorry I've been a bit slack, I've had so much stuff going on lately!

Yorgos, mate that was a killer move! I love it :D

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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 17:46 
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Righto, getting back on track a little, Pich's last submission got the vote and is the sequence to copy, before adding your own move onto the end.



Move 1 - Elsie's move - Both batons clockwise - Smooth movement, well isolated balls, both hands making perfect circles right next to each other.

Move 2 - Grateful's move - Use the horizontal line that the batons create at the end of move 1 as a base line, and do not let any part of the baton go below it.
Bring batons up to meet each other in the middle, then back down to base line again. Your hands draw a quarter circle each, making a semi circle.
If you are doing this correctly, on the move up to the middle you should find a ball naturally isolates itself on the left hand baton, then on the way down it will be on the right hand baton. At the same time, on the way up to the middle, on the right hand baton a ball will travel in a straight line upwards above to iso'd ball, and likewise on the way down, a ball will travel straight downwards on the left hand baton.

Move 3 - Pilolip's move - When I first saw this, after I'd stopped salivating I tried to analyse what was happening. I got all muddled when I was watching the balls, so I watched Pilolip's hands instead, and there was my answer - it was the same move as Grateful's except with the bottom part of the pattern added. If you watch his hands you'll see that they are both doing a semi-circle each, thus making a full circle.
Do the same thing making the 'base line' horizontally, and when you do the top part, don't go below it, and when you do the bottom part, don't go above it.

Move 4 - Ryan's Clocks - The easiest way I found to remeber what was going on is all in the name. The right baton goes from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, just as a real clock hand would. Then the left baton goes from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock again. Aim to keep the movement of whichever baton is just travelling the straight line in as straight a line as possible, but I'm sure you knew that already :wink:
Something helpful for this move is to keep both hands totally level (on the horizontal plane) with each other the whole way through, this will help keep the timing right on the baton doing the circles.

Move 5 - Cory's box pattern - With this one you are drawing the shape of two boxes side by side. After the last 'clocks' move, when the batons come to rest in the upright position, they are already making the "inner walls" of the boxes you are about to make. Isolate the upper ball on each baton, and move the batons until they make the "upper walls" of the boxes (i.e. in a straight horizontal line), then isolate the outer balls and move the batons to make the "outer walls" of the boxes. Next, isolate the two lower balls and move the batons to make the "bottom walls", then isolate the two central balls and move the batons back to the first position, the "inner walls". Good hints to make this look clean is to try and define each 90 degree switch by almost jerking the baton at each transition.

Move 6 - Pich's big box - Very similar to the last pattern, but instead of making just two small boxes, you are making two more directly underneath the last ones (or one big box if you like) (or two tall rectangles if you also like). If anyone wants this explaining some more I'll do a slowed down video so you can see it clearly.

Move 7 - Congasious' move - From the bottom section of the big box move, just before both batons would move to the lowest horizontal section of the box, they do a half antispin upwards. The balls at the bottom travel in a straight line upwards, while the balls at the top do an horizontal straight line across the middle where they meet, before they return back to their starting point. Then you isolate those balls and spin the batons through 180 degrees back to the start of the move. "Half antispin, half spinspin". Rinse and repeat!

Move 8 - Pich's move - During the last 'half antispin' of Congasious' move, keep the upper balls travelling in the same direction they were going (towards the center) and when they meet, keep them moving right across each other. The batons go totally horizontal and your right arm wants to be ABOVE your left arm. Keep travelling across until the batons have fully passed each other, making a straight line.
From here, your goal is to keep the batons in this straight line, and make them do a complete clockwise circle, using the point where the two balls are together as the central point of rotation. Your arms will uncross, and then cross again, with your left arm ABOVE your right arm.
The important part of this move is the horizontal lines. Try to make these lines as clean and flat as you can before the spin, during the spin, and then once it has finished.

Move 9 - by Congasious - After the full double spin-spin proposed by Pich, your hands go back in the other way : they will made a perfect circle in anticlockwise during the batons are continuing to spin (with the fingers) at the same speed, still in clockwise. So for each baton, there is a double spin in opposite way with 1 small spin during 1 big spin, it's a full antispin 1-1. We can see straight lines when the batons are horizontal and when they are vertical and also, the batons stay all the time parallel. Then we repeat the full double spin-spin 1-1 and then the full double antispin 1-1

Move 10 - by Elsie - After completing a full spin-spin with both arms so that we form a straight horizontal line with crossed arms, the right hand does a half spin-spin keeping the same direction while the left arm transfers the baton horizontally until we form a straight line with arms uncrossed. Then the left hand does a half spin-spin the same direction and the right arm transfers the baton horizontally until we form a straight line with crossed arms. (note: the batons doing the half spin-spin are always moving on the upper part of the circle)

Move 11 - by Congasious - At the point where your arms are still crossed at the end of the last move, the baton in your left hand does the same as before, just being moved along the horizontal line, while the baton in your right hand does a (clockwise) half antispin, staying underneath the horizontal line. Then, while the right hand baton gets moved along the horizontal line the left hand does the same half antispin below that horizontal line, making your arms cross over with the left going underneath the right.

Move 12 - Pich - action/reaction - during the last move, when the left hand baton draws the horizontal line, instead of doing a half antispin with the right, do a full antispin and stop the baton just above the left one. Then do a full spinspin with the left. Repeat!
When this move is done correctly, the balls on the baton in your right hand make a "+" shape and the left baton has one ball isolated and the other doing a full circle.

Move 13 is whatever you want it to be!

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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 18:06 
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My submission for move 13 :



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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 20:01 
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Elsie!! Every week you're getting more accurate :D

PS1. I want to have a pair of your colourful batons!
PS2. Nice outfit!
PS3. Nice pattern!
PS4. Next week i will use New Model Army music for my video!

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PostPosted: 01 Jul 2012, 20:03 
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PS5. Thanks for making the list of all the moves so far (which i was lazy to do...)

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PostPosted: 02 Jul 2012, 04:11 
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PS1: Black, white, pink, red, blue or yellow? And I want a pair of your sexy silver ones :wink:

PS2: I made it myself :D

PS3: It's one of your moves that I learned from the practice video you made!

PS4: So will I! I forgot you were a fan, I remember now that you pointed it out in the Berlin MoM video. It'd be funny if we used the same one...

PS5: No worries :D

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Hey...
An other way to watch the last trick is to follow the extremity of the baton in the centre of the shape : on the right of the baton which does not move.
this point is pushed by the right baton ; it does a perfect circle (around the other extremity which is isolated), then it pushes the right extremity of the stationary baton. This last extremity goes vertically down then up and finished to push the first extremity of the left baton which goes once again in a circle.
It's once of the typical "action-reaction".
Please, try to continue a bit with action-reation ! héhéhé, I'm the guy who choose this week !!!!!

PS : the last contribution of Congasious was a good action-reaction too !

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yo! another sloppy submission with no warm up but it doesn't really matter i guess :jest:
not much time before the sun went down tonight, so i didn't come up with any clever action/reaction move... anyways this is it
the suggested move ends at 2:03 but i just kept going for a few more seconds so that the whole music track fits in there :mrgreen:
... hope the music is not blocked in where you live...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-bPiMyYrkA

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Yeah! New Model Army ftw! I think I like your suggestion more, it still leaves the next move open to action/reaction stuff and is probably easier to understand than mine.

I say that until Pich comes to decide then we're still open to other suggestions, anyone else wanna jump in?

I really liked the extra moves you put in at the end, I think the next step for me is to try to learn some less symmetrical moves, the stuff where one baton does little quarter spins is such a great way to change from one pattern to another.

I also find that watching baton videos without hearing the music makes me hear rhythms and tunes in my head, it gives me some nice ideas for building my own tunes on my computer to use for future performance. Very deep digital beats :wink:

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Your video won't play in Germany Congasius, any chance of uploading it somewhere else? :wink:


For this week I've come up with something that might fit into the action/reaction category, but I'm sure these types of moves deserve a better name, they probably have one already, but I wouldn't know what it is.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fyr7xLQbTM


btw I noticed some of you use black tape to mark the center of the baton, I've played with Pilolip's batons earlier this week and what an improvement it was! The extra weight and the marker in the center makes them really good to isolate, if you haven't tried it already, give it a go. Don't know how distracting it would be while performing, but seems like it doesn't bother anyone who I've showed it to, especially on a stage you would get away with it...

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hum... so, I'm embarrassed, I was hopping action-reaction and I don't have it !
Elsie did a trick that I would put in the family of tricks which show/use the medium points of the baton.
Tom did a trick which use two points stuck together (tchoutchou tricks family)
Congasious did a door which is a very strong visual trick but not action-reaction (close to the tchoutchou tricks family).

I choose the Tom's trick.
I don't know if you analyse what you do in term of spin-spin and antispin. Tom ?
I analysed it 3 months ago in the old and great MCP's Video "the lab 2". I don't have any web link of it to give you... :(
So there is in your trick a line spin and a simple line : normally, if you keep a linear speed with your simple line of the horizontal baton, the other hands does a vertical line (half down + full up + half down) with a full spin. This, during a go and back of the horizontal baton on the distance of one baton. I will try to explain this last move more precisely in the next post.

Let's do the move 14 !

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Here is the sequence to follow ended with the Tom's move :


Move 1 - Elsie's move - Both batons clockwise - Smooth movement, well isolated balls, both hands making perfect circles right next to each other.

Move 2 - Grateful's move - Use the horizontal line that the batons create at the end of move 1 as a base line, and do not let any part of the baton go below it.
Bring batons up to meet each other in the middle, then back down to base line again. Your hands draw a quarter circle each, making a semi circle.
If you are doing this correctly, on the move up to the middle you should find a ball naturally isolates itself on the left hand baton, then on the way down it will be on the right hand baton. At the same time, on the way up to the middle, on the right hand baton a ball will travel in a straight line upwards above to iso'd ball, and likewise on the way down, a ball will travel straight downwards on the left hand baton.

Move 3 - Pilolip's move - When I first saw this, after I'd stopped salivating I tried to analyse what was happening. I got all muddled when I was watching the balls, so I watched Pilolip's hands instead, and there was my answer - it was the same move as Grateful's except with the bottom part of the pattern added. If you watch his hands you'll see that they are both doing a semi-circle each, thus making a full circle.
Do the same thing making the 'base line' horizontally, and when you do the top part, don't go below it, and when you do the bottom part, don't go above it.

Move 4 - Ryan's Clocks - The easiest way I found to remeber what was going on is all in the name. The right baton goes from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, just as a real clock hand would. Then the left baton goes from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock again. Aim to keep the movement of whichever baton is just travelling the straight line in as straight a line as possible, but I'm sure you knew that already :wink:
Something helpful for this move is to keep both hands totally level (on the horizontal plane) with each other the whole way through, this will help keep the timing right on the baton doing the circles.

Move 5 - Cory's box pattern - With this one you are drawing the shape of two boxes side by side. After the last 'clocks' move, when the batons come to rest in the upright position, they are already making the "inner walls" of the boxes you are about to make. Isolate the upper ball on each baton, and move the batons until they make the "upper walls" of the boxes (i.e. in a straight horizontal line), then isolate the outer balls and move the batons to make the "outer walls" of the boxes. Next, isolate the two lower balls and move the batons to make the "bottom walls", then isolate the two central balls and move the batons back to the first position, the "inner walls". Good hints to make this look clean is to try and define each 90 degree switch by almost jerking the baton at each transition.

Move 6 - Pich's big box - Very similar to the last pattern, but instead of making just two small boxes, you are making two more directly underneath the last ones (or one big box if you like) (or two tall rectangles if you also like). If anyone wants this explaining some more I'll do a slowed down video so you can see it clearly.

Move 7 - Congasious' move - From the bottom section of the big box move, just before both batons would move to the lowest horizontal section of the box, they do a half antispin upwards. The balls at the bottom travel in a straight line upwards, while the balls at the top do an horizontal straight line across the middle where they meet, before they return back to their starting point. Then you isolate those balls and spin the batons through 180 degrees back to the start of the move. "Half antispin, half spinspin". Rinse and repeat!

Move 8 - Pich's move - During the last 'half antispin' of Congasious' move, keep the upper balls travelling in the same direction they were going (towards the center) and when they meet, keep them moving right across each other. The batons go totally horizontal and your right arm wants to be ABOVE your left arm. Keep travelling across until the batons have fully passed each other, making a straight line.
From here, your goal is to keep the batons in this straight line, and make them do a complete clockwise circle, using the point where the two balls are together as the central point of rotation. Your arms will uncross, and then cross again, with your left arm ABOVE your right arm.
The important part of this move is the horizontal lines. Try to make these lines as clean and flat as you can before the spin, during the spin, and then once it has finished.

Move 9 - by Congasious - After the full double spin-spin proposed by Pich, your hands go back in the other way : they will made a perfect circle in anticlockwise during the batons are continuing to spin (with the fingers) at the same speed, still in clockwise. So for each baton, there is a double spin in opposite way with 1 small spin during 1 big spin, it's a full antispin 1-1. We can see straight lines when the batons are horizontal and when they are vertical and also, the batons stay all the time parallel. Then we repeat the full double spin-spin 1-1 and then the full double antispin 1-1

Move 10 - by Elsie - After completing a full spin-spin with both arms so that we form a straight horizontal line with crossed arms, the right hand does a half spin-spin keeping the same direction while the left arm transfers the baton horizontally until we form a straight line with arms uncrossed. Then the left hand does a half spin-spin the same direction and the right arm transfers the baton horizontally until we form a straight line with crossed arms. (note: the batons doing the half spin-spin are always moving on the upper part of the circle)

Move 11 - by Congasious - At the point where your arms are still crossed at the end of the last move, the baton in your left hand does the same as before, just being moved along the horizontal line, while the baton in your right hand does a (clockwise) half antispin, staying underneath the horizontal line. Then, while the right hand baton gets moved along the horizontal line the left hand does the same half antispin below that horizontal line, making your arms cross over with the left going underneath the right.

Move 12 - Pich - action/reaction - during the last move, when the left hand baton draws the horizontal line, instead of doing a half antispin with the right, do a full antispin and stop the baton just above the left one. Then do a full spinspin with the left. Repeat!
When this move is done correctly, the balls on the baton in your right hand make a "+" shape and the left baton has one ball isolated and the other doing a full circle.

Move 13 - by Tom Atto
During one baton does an horizontal go and back translation (let's call it "simple line"), the second hand does a full "line-spin" with the line (done by the hand) which does a vertical go and back (1/2 down, 1 up and 1/2 down). Each time when the two batons are horizontal side by side, we switch the action of each hand and continue the figure in the opposite direction.
The speed of both batons must stay linear and accorded. The go and back of the horizontal baton is on the distance of one baton. The amplitude of the baton which does the line-spin is one baton up and one baton down to the horizontal baton. In fact our hands moves on the distance of one baton (half up and half down).

what will be the move 14 ?

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one of the magic of antispin (and/or line-spin) that we can see so well in the move 13 : the hand does a vertical line and the extremity of the baton does a horizontal line. For me this is great !

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I suggest that each new "leader" explain the move that he does. I think that it's a very good exercise for understand and clean what you do.
And it's also interesting to see how the person who does a trick see it.
I'm sure that Tom would explain the move 13 in a different way than mine.

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