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héhé, I'm happy that batons manipulation start to be developed on this forum... Thank you LC.

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Hey Pich, my pleasure! It's bought you back to dotorg, which makes me happy! Thanks for all your research into batons, and very importantly, thanks for all your hard work with Piryokopi! I can't wait to see what else has come of your recent rehearsal sessions

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Finally jumping in! I rushed the video but kept it simple for this round. I need to shorten my batons a little bit and slow way down but im in now!

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O right, I guess winter is here now.

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hhhhhhooooookaaaaaaayyyyyyy...

Thanks for all of the submissions, quite a few to choose from this week!

I'm going to put Ryan out of his agony. We'll only get clocks, clocks, and more clocks until clocks win. I wanna see what your next move is, Ryan

So here we are, Ryan is this week's leader, with Clocks -




Notes (from the performer's perspective, not the viewer's)

Move 1 - Both batons clockwise - Smooth movement, well isolated balls, both hands making perfect circles right next to each other.

Move 2 - Use the horizontal line that the batons create at the end of move 1 as a base line, and do not let any part of the baton go below it.
Bring batons up to meet each other in the middle, then back down to base line again. Your hands draw a quarter circle each, making a semi circle.
If you are doing this correctly, on the move up to the middle you should find a ball naturally isolates itself on the left hand baton, then on the way down it will be on the right hand baton. At the same time, on the way up to the middle, on the right hand baton a ball will travel in a straight line upwards above to iso'd ball, and likewise on the way down, a ball will travel straight downwards on the left hand baton.

Move 3 - When I first saw this, after I'd stopped salivating I tried to analyse what was happening. I got all muddled when I was watching the balls, so I watched Pilolip's hands instead, and there was my answer - it was the same move as Grateful's except with the bottom part of the pattern added. If you watch his hands you'll see that they are both doing a semi-circle each, thus making a full circle.
Do the same thing making the 'base line' horizontally, and when you do the top part, don't go below it, and when you do the bottom part, don't go above it.

Move 4 - Clocks - The easiest way I found to remeber what was going on is all in the name. The right baton goes from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, just as a real clock hand would. Then the left baton goes from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock again. Aim to keep the movement of whichever baton is just travelling the straight line in as straight a line as possible, but I'm sure you knew that already

At some point I'm going to start judging this competition on style, once I feel like a certain level of skill has been reached.

Then after we've done that for a while I'm going to add a new twist

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And moving swiftly onward, here's my next submission. It's keeping in with the clocks theme, but the first half of the clocks move is now a folding line sort of thing. If anyone knows what it's called, let me know!

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Well done Ryan! I really like that you chose this move Elsie because it brings me out of my comfort zone a little bit and is going to force me to practice a bit more. The simple movement of up and down with one baton while the other rotates is not at all something i normally think about doing.

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Me too. It was a real brain twist for a while, it was almost like when I first started to learn four balls in the air and had to try to keep them from crossing over. I'm still quite amazed as to how limitless batons are. They are about the most versatile prop I've played with since I first got into one ball CJing.

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Once we started this FTL for exchanging ideas, tricks and techniques and show new paths to people that just started or want to start with batons, I would like to take the chance and make some notes/corrections/suggestions etc when needed.
The move suggested by Elsie is a bit strange to understand because the right hand that doing the antispin does not make a circle, but an oval/cat-eye (it is still a 1-1 antispin but yet not a circle). You can see that by following the ball of the right hand baton that is supposed to make a vertical line (up-down) but instead of this it makes something like a half circle. So, I was thinking instead of making a video suggesting a new move, I will try to make a very short video explaining the difference between these two moves, before Thursday night. It will be much easier to understand this by watching rather than reading
@ Elsie: I am sure you don't get me wrong.. i am not being a smarta$$, just trying to help

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No no congasious, help and clarity is never a bad thing

I hadn't realised until you mentioned it but describing it as a folding line move wasn't very helpful! Sometimes I can see the pattern in the batons and balls, and other times I see the patterns in the hands. This move, for me, is a baton pattern. On this one the ball at the bottom of my left baton stays isolated, while the two balls at the top stick together and travel the semi-circle to the bottom. During this manoeuvre the batons both make a perfect horizontal line at the half way point, then they fold together again as they travel downwards, hence "folding lines".

Please please do a video, and please always jump in with advice on anything at anytime!

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Hey, I did this video...


... for show what explained Congasious.
Here, my right hand does a full antispin 1-1 and my left hand does a full spin-spin 1-1, then I switch the two motions and the two hands. I must switch when my batons are horizontal, not vertical.

Your motion, Elsie, is very interesting : the extremity up of your right hand baton is doing a perfectly round circle.

I send you just after that a video of Vincent for FTL...

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So, last week I've met Vincent in the great place "104" in Paris. I talked to him about FTL... Vincent does not practice batons but he practices crystal balls manipulation and know the antispin theory... so I asked him to continue the routine of FTL.
He did this video :
These motions are much more difficult to understand than to do :
from the two batons up, the right hand baton does a quarter of spinspin down, changes the referential point (centre of the spin spin or of the antispin), does a quarter of antispin down. Then it goes back doing a quarter of spin spin up, changes the referential point, and does a quarter of antispin (still up).
The two referential points are : the down extremity of the batons in them initial position then, when the baton is horizontal, his outside extremity.

During this time the left hand baton does a simple vertical translation down then up.
Finally the left and the right hands do respectively the same motion that the right and left hands did just before.
Is that understandable ?
I can understand that it's a bit too difficult for beginner. But just take this move as an exercise for read the motions.

PS : it must be clear for everybody that a spin-spin 1-1 is a fix point...

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Ah, I see what you mean Pich, I like that move. This is the sequence I'd come up with during my experiments, it would be nice to mix the two together. Your version is 'softer on the eye' if you see what I mean.

"Folding lines" :



Do you have a name for this move already?

The Thursday deadline is fast approaching guys, any more submissions? I'm the only one this week so far, and to be honest I'm not keen on the move I decided on... The video of Vincent can't be used as it's just the one move, it really should be the whole sequence. Besides, it looks hard

I'll be deciding who wins in roughly 12 hours from now, so unless we all want to be stuck with my move you'd better grab your cameras!

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I dont think i will have time to make a video today, and Pich already explained what i wrote in my earlier post.
I will get back with a new move next week

PS. I am happy to see Vincent's move finally made it on FTL though, I think that if you chose Vincent's move now, this FTL will get really experimental very early and some of us will be tempted to make it even more brain struggling in the next weeks ... hehe. Soooo, I say we go on with simple patterns so that everyone can follow and bit by bit we suggest new ways of thinking on these props. But this is just my opinion..
I really like this FTL anyways Thanks for starting it!

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[[SO SO late... But I'm wondering if I could join?]]

{{Second problem... My iso batons got broken by a friend, and I've yet to find a replacement.. Can you enter with clubs?}}

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quick one, very messy but you get the idea...
sorry pich.. yes I know i need to keep the centre points of the baton together so the last trick looks clean but i just didn't do it well. Next round, i'll clean it up (if it gets chosen)

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