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I was amazed to see Pich's isolation performance on the "In Isolation" DVD. I was particularly impressed by his palm-circles, and even more so by his ability to perform a seamless transition between the palm-circle and the back-hand-circle (I'm not sure whether this is the common name for this variation, but please correct me if I have called it by the wrong name).

The back-hand-circle, performed as isolation, is clearly an advanced move that would require much practice to perfect it. The dynamics of Pich's performace are breathtaking. Overall, I would anticipate that the move would require excellent, and very specific control of the ball on the back of the hand.

Does anyone know if this is a move that Pich developed himself, or whether it's one that was discovered by someone else? I have to say, I've never seen the move performed by anyone else, but it really has to be one of my favourites! Also, does anyone have any practice tips for learning this move?

I don't know where it originated, but I've just started practicing it myself after watching someone at the EJC last week smoothly transitioning between palm and back hand iso's. I suspect it's going to be much like learning the palm iso - just insane amounts practice.

I'm not sure I'd describe it as an advanced move btw - a difficult move certainly, but as with many moves in contact, it stands by itself, by which I mean that you don't really need to learn any other moves first (my suspicion is that even learning palm isos first will only be of small benefit).

Oh, and just to melt your mind a little, the guy I was watching also performed a two ball circle... on the back of his hand! He only managed a single rotation, but I was still duly gobsmacked.

Where abouts in London are you btw? I'm trying to work out if we've met.

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Cheers for the reply. I actually live between London and Northampton. I'm hoping to make a move to London this year, and I will look to going to some Contact Juggling classes at that time. We haven't met yet. I haven't met any other jugglers yet, which is insane as I've been CJ’ing for almost a year now!

I understand what you're saying about the difficulty of the move. I think it would be harder for the CJ'er to learn if s/he hadn't already learned the standard palm circle.

My observations on the move so far is that it is easer to learn after practicing the 4 possible cradle positions on the back of the hand:

thumb / index
index / middle
middle / ring
ring / pinky

Simply holding the ball still in those positions seems to aid the development of control on the back of the hand.

The next stage, I have found is to practice moving the ball from one cradle position to the next, back and fourth.

The last, and possibly the most difficult part of completing the circle on the back, is in rolling the ball from the "ring / pinky" cradle back to the "thumb / index" across the "smooth" of the hand.

I have found that it is necessary to raise the elbow slightly during the back-hand-circles (in comparison to the standard palm-circle).

I bet that 2 ball palm-spinning you saw on the back of the hand made your jaw drop!

I'm pretty sure it was Emmeneulle ('Em' in In Iso) who developed the back of the hand isolations. He was CRAZY back in the day in London at the drome, a direct influence on Dimitri, Jago and Drew.

Pich nailed them cleaner than I've ever seen before. I also liked his vertical 1b palm circle isolation.

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there are more than four control positions on the back of the hand. try to find as many as you can.

I've been trying to get this on and off for about 4 months now. I have the circle, just not the isolation. but Pich is staying at my house this weekend, so guess what I'll be doing lots of

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So what do I have to do to get a Pich to stay at my house? Goddess only knows my back hand isolations need all the help they can get

Btw: "I also liked his vertical 1b palm circle isolation." - any vids of this? I'm curious.

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Hi Imark

There is a quick clip of it in the promo at 36 seconds
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej-MAk5IqLU[/youtube]

Rather than move the ball in a circle on a flat plane, Pich is rolling the ball up to his fingers, lifting it and then bringing it back to the palm, then rolling it out again, etc etc. It forms a circle going up and down, which he then isolates.

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aha i've been working on the isolation at 36 seconds for a tid bit now


its very fresh

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Any tips from Pich, "Look!_This_Chånges!"?

I've just about got the circle on the back now. It's just a matter of getting it isolated property and then I'll work on the transition between it and the palm-circle.

I have found that a slight hyper-extension of the fingers to create a "bowl" shape on the back was useful to begin with, but the more I relax my hand as I build my confidence the smother the circle is, and, in fact, the easier I find it to keep a circular shape.

An interesting observation on the transition from the palm-circle to the back-hand-circle is that the ball describes a horizontal figure 8 pattern, the centre of which is at the transition point. That is, it seems natural to go from a counter-clockwise palm-circle into a clockwise back-hand-circle - thus creating the horizontal figure 8 pattern (of course you don’t see this if the ball remains isolated). This appears to be how Pich performs the move on "In Isolation". I'm sure it's possible to add variation to this, however, as once you've mastered control on the back of the hand the possibilities are endless.

tips, no, I'm afraid...

We got distracted by Batons and Multiball.

as an aside, who's going to Carvin this week? There's gonna be a huge acrylic party...

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Lol! No worries. I reckon I know what needs to be done. It just requires a lot of patience and practice!

I never get to go to these cool parties

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Does anyone know what size ball Pich is using in the video above? Would that be an 85mm or 100mm acrylic? I find it difficult to tell from videos. I personally use an 85mm for most single ball work, and find it to be a pretty good size for most isolations and rolls etc. I still find the 100mm ball a bit too heavy.

i would say its a 100mm...but maybe not , some1 knows for sure?

Pich knows for sure!