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So I've been poking around the more difficult isolations now and palm spins both intrigue and frustrate me and they're leaving me with a lot of questions.

To do simple palm spins, how important is it to learn to go both clockwise AND counter clockwise. For me I can't even go clockwise on my dominant hand let alone on my reverse. Counter clockwise is still a little shaky and I'm trying to slowly go from two finger cradle to two finger cradle along my hand with a single 3" sphere.

For the isolation, do you have to spin the ball in your palm one way while you hand is revolving in the opposite direction?

For now I'd like to slowly pick at getting my spins down, but the isolation DOES intrigue me beyond belief. I saw one girl that was able to do it on her second week of contact juggling whereas some people on here claim it takes forever to learn let alone to master...

Any help/answers are much appreciated

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Being able to do something, and mastering something are two very different things. Not to mention everyone has their own learning speeds, try not to get too frustrated by others who may excel.

As far as your isos are concerned- Unless I've missed some great mystery of the universe, the ball, and the circles that your hand makes should go the same way. Check for some tutorials online, you may be able to catch something by watching that would be rather difficult to describe in text.

Good luck!

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Yip OB, they go the same direction.

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Same direction but at opposite timing to each other... if that makes any sense.

I think the best way to learn this is to practice doing neat circles on your palm without worrying about the isolation first. When you've got the circles down, move onto the iso.

Moving the arm from the elbow, kind of like a piston in a car engine, helps me.

Go as slow as you possibly can, with the hand as flat as you possibly can.

Watch some Okotanpe videos and notice how he gives the ball a tiny little "kick" with his fingers as it crosses them. Try to mimic his speed and movement.

+1. Ferret recommends palm circles before you try the isolations. The goal is to get your hand muscles to memorize how they'll move the ball around before you start working on moving your arm at the same time. Muscle memory goes a long way.

As far as learning the move, I believe learning it in two weeks.

I also believe that it didn't look stellar. Palm circles are something that you can understand the concept for and do shoddily fairly quickly (I was doing them my second or third day). Getting to the point where I feel proud presenting it, and think it looks magical? Nope, I'm nowhere near that point yet. From what I've heard, it takes forever.

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And yeah, the palm roll iso is one of the first moves learned and one of the last mastered.

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Thanks to everyone for your advice I am now far wiser than beforre :3

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I am wondering... those who are really good at the palm iso, probably are also quite good at multiball palm work? That is, you don't get a really smooth palm iso, until you are pretty good with at least 3 balls in the palm?

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actually, my multiball is still pretty much crap. but my palm iso is pretty good. the thing that helped me sort out the palm iso was learning 2 ball palm spin with one ball isolated. analyze how that works, and that should give you a leg up on what is really going on when you do a one ball palm iso.

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When I learned this I work on the palm circle first. Hand staying in the same place and trying to get the ball to make as big a circle around my hand as I could. I also concentrated on moving the ball as slowly as possible.
After I was very comfortable with that movement. I just concentrated on keeping the ball in the same place. The first couple of hours were spent trying to figure out how to move my hand in relation to the ball. Then it eventually clicked. After that its just a case of practicing it for a long long time to make it look good.

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My experience with multiball has kind of have been a giant collaboration of Learn a bunch of moves and master them later. Just about every pattern I learned, I added an isolation.
Over time, as I started actually drilling on my technique, I found that because I ingrained so much at once, all of these moves were about the same skill level as each other. So when my palmiso skill increased from a constant practice, my multiball isolations also increased.
It's safe to compare a palm iso to a 2 or 3b palmspin iso without the other balls.

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cant palm spin worth crap... any advice i been trying for like a year lol

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Difficult to say without knowing what you're doing, but my advice is, much like with isolations, try and break it down as much as you can. Don't think of yourself as trying to move the balls in a circle, but try to think of the individual steps involved, such as moving the ball between individual fingers. And slow it down - don't be in a rush to complete a circle, but really focus on getting the individual steps smooth and controlled.

Oh, and buy Drew's book: http://www.neonhusky.com/JShop/product.php/318/0

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I agree, I found the 2 ball iso palm spin very helpful. After much practice I can 2 ball spin both 65+75mm balls in both directions (though I could never spin more than 2 75's) and I have very small hands. Persevere!! Break it down, take it slow, start small keep going

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I took me a good 3 or 4 days to figure out how to get my body to actually move so that the ball was even remotely isolated.

I agree with what everyone else has said: learn to spin the ball in your palm first and get super comfortable with that, then try to isolate.

I have noticed a direct correlation between my multiball and my palm iso. Simply learning the 2 ball palm spin iso made my palm spin iso better.

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