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Ugh..Okay, absolute beginner here with Isobaton. I made these batons quite a while ago but never got a chance to learn. I'm going to keep plugging away and hopefully you'll see some improvements over the weeks. LOL So, please excuse the very slow, struggling and disjointed movements. You can tell I'm still just getting used to spinning them at all. Hopefully you can kind of see what I'm attempting to submit...just imagine it done well and smooth from start to finish. XD

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Hey hey, glad you both joined in!

Is it just my 'puter or have some of the videos dropped off the screen? Some of mine, Cory's and Pich's videos seem to just have a big gap instead of a youtube window?

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hi everybody, we (pich and I) made our FTL videos today so here are each proposition.

I have to say also with pich that the move of cory is extremly difficult not only because this trick is hard, but also because he reverse the spin. so to make it easier we did it in the logical way after the clock in the same spin. Don't worry it's the same trick and if you want to do it full speed it will be much easier. you will see.

mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huI7Wbd2 ... e=youtu.be

pich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ECiRLQ ... e=youtu.be

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Righto, thank you for all the entries this week! Again, for some reason I can't view the videos properly, is anyone else having this problem?

Anyhow, agreed that reversing Cory's move might be a good plan (actually I just noticed your clocks move was the wrong way around too, Cory!). Actually, while we're on the subject, Sennyo, most of your sequence was the wrong way around

So, this week's winner is... Pich! It's a wonderful next step after Cory's move, it flows just nicely from it. That's mostly what I'm looking for, a move that flows nicely on from the last one.

I will edit this post shortly when I'm back on my computer, but in the meantime, well done Pich!

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Could someone do me a favour and have a look through the last few pages of this thread and tell me if you've got big gaps where videos used to be? It's happening on my 'puter and my phone, and my phone is connected via 3g, not through my router.

Fanksh.

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Yup, i have some gaps instead of youtube videos, but some are videos are still visible.

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I have gaps too but only on page five. Good job, Pich!

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Hmm, I think it's a glitch in the matrix - a sudden and unexpected influx of baton videos amongst loads of ball stuff has caused some kind of video bail out...

Anyway, here we are, the most up to date video to follow is this one from Pich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ECiRLQ ... e=youtu.be

Notes (from the performer's perspective, not the viewer's)

Move 1 - Elsie's move - Both batons clockwise - Smooth movement, well isolated balls, both hands making perfect circles right next to each other.

Move 2 - Grateful's move - Use the horizontal line that the batons create at the end of move 1 as a base line, and do not let any part of the baton go below it.
Bring batons up to meet each other in the middle, then back down to base line again. Your hands draw a quarter circle each, making a semi circle.
If you are doing this correctly, on the move up to the middle you should find a ball naturally isolates itself on the left hand baton, then on the way down it will be on the right hand baton. At the same time, on the way up to the middle, on the right hand baton a ball will travel in a straight line upwards above to iso'd ball, and likewise on the way down, a ball will travel straight downwards on the left hand baton.

Move 3 - Pilolip's move - When I first saw this, after I'd stopped salivating I tried to analyse what was happening. I got all muddled when I was watching the balls, so I watched Pilolip's hands instead, and there was my answer - it was the same move as Grateful's except with the bottom part of the pattern added. If you watch his hands you'll see that they are both doing a semi-circle each, thus making a full circle.
Do the same thing making the 'base line' horizontally, and when you do the top part, don't go below it, and when you do the bottom part, don't go above it.

Move 4 - Ryan's Clocks - The easiest way I found to remeber what was going on is all in the name. The right baton goes from 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock, just as a real clock hand would. Then the left baton goes from 6 o'clock to 12 o'clock again. Aim to keep the movement of whichever baton is just travelling the straight line in as straight a line as possible, but I'm sure you knew that already

Move 5 - Cory's box pattern - With this one you are drawing the shape of two boxes side by side. After the last 'clocks' move, when the batons come to rest in the upright position, they are already making the "inner walls" of the boxes you are about to make. Isolate the upper ball on each baton, and move the batons until they make the "upper walls" of the boxes (i.e. in a straight horizontal line), then isolate the outer balls and move the batons to make the "outer walls" of the boxes. Next, isolate the two lower balls and move the batons to make the "bottom walls", then isolate the two central balls and move the batons back to the first position, the "inner walls". Good hints to make this look clean is to try and define each 90 degree switch by almost jerking the baton at each transition.

Move 6 - Pich's big box - Very similar to the last pattern, but instead of making just two small boxes, you are making two more directly underneath the last ones (or one big box if you like) (or two tall rectangles if you also like). If anyone wants this explaining some more I'll do a slowed down video so you can see it clearly.

Move 7 is whatever you want it to be!

Just another note on doing these moves, shall we have a general vote as to whether the batons and/or balls should always try to be one behind the other whenever they are together, or shall we keep them separate, or shall we just not care?

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Right, here's my submission -



When both batons reach the same position as the beginning of the box move (both batons upright, directly in front of you) the two balls at the top go in a straight line downwards, while the balls at the bottom travel horizontally in a straight line outwards then inwards again. When these two balls meet each other you then isolate them whilst doing a full 180 degree spin of the batons, back to the starting position. If done cleanly then you are drawing a "+" shape with the balls followed by a perfect circle with the outer balls to get back to the starting position.
There is a definite element of antispin going on in this move.

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So many things to say today...

Yes Elsie, I think that the following move can not be another move that yours ; I would do the same and I already vote for it. In term of spin spin this last proposition is two split half antispin down then two split half spin-spin up ; the paths of your hands are only half circle down then half circle up. I call it "the automatic door" but I'm the only one to call it like that.

Anyway I will find soon something else for fun.

I want to clarify the argue about the way of the box : when we manipulate batons, we make spin them with the fingers and we also give a spin to our hand (it's why we can talk about spin-spin and antispin). Because we use batons with heavy extremities, to switch the way of rotation of the baton with the finger is very difficult : the inertia is very strong. So if I want to switch my trick from a spin-spin to an antispin, I will more switch the way of the rotation of my hand instead to change the rotation of the baton (with my fingers). Now if I really want to switch the baton rotation, I will add a translation of the baton or any other motion without finger rotation, then I would restart the rotation in the opposite way, from my immobile baton. So I do the double action in two steps : first one : stop the rotation, second step : restart the rotation in the other way.
During the Ryan's move ("the clock"), my left hand does a half antispin1-1. If we continue the motion for come in the box, we must fix the up extremity. With our left hand, it comes from a motion without rotation so we can do a finger spin in the way that we want without too much difficulties.


It's fun to see that people who start (or almost) batons manipulation, propose difficult and interesting tricks. Riel, the two batons perpendicular give so many new and great possibilities of combinations but I suggest that for start we stay with batons parallel. Or else our specialist of crazy hard perpendicular batons tricks, Congasious, will feel free to blow the mind of everybody !!!! The perpendicular batons will come well enough early... Sennyo, I see very well what you want to do but we would need a short trick for bring the two batons superposed in the diagonal position from the vertical position of the two superposed batons. You do it as if it was inside the move that you want to show. So in a way, you cheat a bit... Did you noticed that you do the same trick (in diagonal) that André proposed and that finally Elsie propose this week : the automatic door ?
The box proposed by Cory is one of the most difficult to practice because we must fix two points very far apart (left and right).

So finally everybody is gonna follow the trick that I proposed.
It's not an easy trick. Each time you isolate a new point in space, other than the 2 points in front of our shoulder and the point in front of our sternum, then, you have to relearn at this new place all the motion that you already know. But if you get the 9 points of the big box, then you can start to improvise and it become great fun. The big box is a very important exercice to work I think. But it's possible to work it easier with parallel batons (for start).

Just after my post of the page 4, Elsie, you asked me if I have a name for my trick which explain your submission 5. Yes : I call it the "flying bird".

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thanks pich!!!

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Good info, Pich. I'll save the perpendicular stuff for later.

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Indeed, good info Pich! I will start working more on the 9 points and sooner or later i will feel comfortable with the patterns you showed me mixing spin-spin and antispin - so hard to get them clean and not thinking about the pattern... grrrr ....haha! And I totally agree with you that once these 9 points are solid, it becomes great fun

I have to say i was very surprised by both Riel's and Sennyo's moves which are both very clever and fresh! Especially the diagonal pattern! This is something i have thought and also tried to train some months ago, but once i understood what i have to practice in order to get clean diagonals in same rhythm and width of movement in space, i got back to horizontal and vertical shapes and when i am clean enough with that, i will see what i can do with diagonals. Baton manipulation as graphic manipulation, is quite easy to understand in theory but then you have unlimited hours of training to make it clean and present it as graphics in space. In order to get the same rhythm in both hands and create this visual effect, in my practice, I divide my full spinspin and antispin in 4/4 of spin, and try to be precise and keep the symmetry at least every quarter of spin - when the batons are vertical and parallel. This way i get 4 starting points (or points of control) of the spinspin and antispin every 90 degrees. Working on diagonals you get 4 more starting points (or points of control) which are much more difficult to be precise and clean and comfortable with, and in total you get 8 points every 45 degrees!! which, for me, is too much at the moment. But, always something to keep in mind for the future (I already work these diagonals in palmspin as i feel more comfortable with balls, and hopefully soon enough i will get these moves in a video... and i call this "the X")

So, diagonals and perpendiculars will soon be explored in dotorg FTL! woohoo!
I will also try to think of a move to suggest for this week.

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Sorry I got caught up with prepping for and traveling to Kinetic last week. Ill be back in this week.

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