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Jowze



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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:13 pm    Post subject: Over The Head Roll : Tips ?

Hi everybody

I'm still working on the Behind the neck roll, progressing, I know it takes ages to get solid and flowing and polished and all so I looked for other bodyroll moves to work on a the same time.
Over The Head Roll look damn cool, and crazy hard too. I'd like to work slowly on it (I know it will take buttloads of time).

Is there any one on the board who would have any tip, I wouldn't like to start with bad habits as I did with my chest roll...

Thanks

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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject:

Hey, Jowze!

How doing ?

Well sorry I can't help you here, 'cause I'm working mainly on isos and multiball things..I do some armrolls though, but head stuff isn't for me I'm afraid !!

Good luck and I guess someone more accurate than me on the subject will soon help you ^^

Take care,
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject:

I would suggest... finding someone that can do that trick, seeing how they do it, then tell me everything you've learned so I can try it too Are you meaning the one that is a full arm body roll but the ball goes over the head instead of infront or behind? If so, yep... that looks really freaking sweet.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject:

think about making the path from your arm to your temple as smooth as possible. just ducking your head to the side doesn't cut it, not if you want it smooth.

A spiral or curved path is easier than a straight one.

You need head rolls as well.

Other than that, break it down, learn to balance the ball etc. I can't really give lots of in depth advice because I can't do this move yet.

It appears in some videos, find it, and STUDY.

Oh, and don't learn this with a 4" acryl. it'll hurt your jawbone.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject:

COLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:47 pm    Post subject:

I just did a sort of partial one on accident... was working on behind the beck rolls, and didn't get my head low enough, and the ball kinda rolled up and over the back part of my head and on to the other arm... doesn't quite count though I guess... hehe
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject:

as a prerequisite skill you need very good head rolls. thats the most time consuming part. once you can do those for hours on end, its just a case of rolling the ball up there really. . Main thing is roll the ball very slowly. I feel the up the arm and neck roll part has more in common with a chest roll then a btn. I suggest breaking it down to cradle to the first temple. and stop there. trying to do the whole completed roll will likely be too much. I feel the whole roll is actually a combination of maneuvers anyway. basicly I use the same arm position as a wide chest roll. pretty much the whole way. the timing is the hardest part. the head has to be acquiring a good position or else the ball will not get past the neck. this is why rolling sloooow is best, it gives you more time and there is less whiplash thing happening. another thing is angle of the head. tilt the head to one side, and now move your head as if saying "no". thats what you have to play with- you'll likely hit your ear a few times as you progress. When started, I used to try sliding into the roll of the ball at the right moment, when I was trying to get the ball up my neck. But have since found good technique solves the need for that.

going down is a bit different. It bugged me for a while. Anyway just put the ball on the temple and gently tilt the head up so it starts to roll.(there is a slight curve to that) that basically it for starters.

When your headrolls are solid, I could run you through some stuff, I prefer a demonstration in person method for this kind of thing. tips on shapes and technique is impossible to describe, without seeing exactly your body shape, conditioning, posture, skills etc. There are a hundred little training tips I think are useful.

My verdict- it's actually quite easy. its just a combination of maybe a step above intermediate skills. only uses parts of the body that are commonly rolled on. just the neck is a bit iffy imo.

the ball is happy rolling up the arm to the head.


PS- there are quite a few ways to do a btn, I do not count them all as the same trick.....imo the ones where you duck your head to any significant degree are the ugliest and not the easiest. personally I would suggest the first one to learn is a high and wide arm btn. there is a video I have of steve close doing stupidly slow ones. I like his technique with those. any ducking I think hampers somewhat when its time to do something else behind the neck,
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject:

Hey Lawrens, I'm fine cheers ! Back to Uni though. But I can find some time to practice anyway (surely too much time). I'm sorry I didn't contact you while I was in correze in august, but I had only 2 really smallish days off, that I spent sloushing around the camp .
What were you magician up to ? And when will you pony up this new vid you were talking about a few months ago ?

Yes cannonballjames it's the one you're talking about. It looks good. but it's hard as hell. And I don't have any Cjer in my close area. Or at least not any I know who can do the move.

Thanks for the advices ed, I saw colin do one or two in your delawar 2 vid. Smoooooth. If he pops around he could maybe give some in depth tip. The curved path idea will help I'm sure, I was trying to "rush" the ball straight to the head...dumb.
And I won't try with a 4" acrylic : I'd like to live a few more years.

See you around

EDIT : Crosspost. Right on time Colin Thanks a big bunch. So headrolls I guess for starters. Wow it's a big time starter as I'm totally unexperienced on these. I'll hurt my patience but I guess i'll put aside the Over the Head for a while and work on Head rolls, Chest roll and behind the neck. And be seriously back to it when they will feel a bit more confortable (mostly headrolls). Thanks again
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject:

Alriiiight.
I browsed the forum for any more tips and advices.
Here are a few links I found with discussions on over the head rolls and head rolls/stalls. If some people are interested in them.

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2037

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4009

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1869

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=259&highlight;=head+balancing

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1715

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=757

http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=410

A lot of them give a warning... Stretching. I'll try to find some stretching exercice and have a talk to some people I know for good stretching advice for these moves. But if anyone know some. Please post .

Until next time, have fun !

EDIT :And here we got video exemples and study material with some over the head stuff and neat headrolls

http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/video/delawarr2/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rQODXS-AqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAuKhwbUqco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz1cpkkD6jM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ihwei0jO4Yg
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject:

Bump
Headrolls and the likes

I know I'm fresh to it. But here are a few impressions :
It feels like temple to forehead is easier than the other way. I did it a few (VERY FEW) times. But then I'm so damn happy when the ball is steady there that I lose control and it doesn't stay more than a few short sec.
Forehead to bach of the neck : I never thought I could do this one, but it comes of alright way more often than any other. Don't know why.

Problem : NECK STRAIN
seem to be a similar problem to mot's in this thread http://www.contactjuggling.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2037
I warm up and stretch before and after every training session.
I even sometimes re-warm up in the middle of the session or the day.
I try to warm up shoulders and back and stuff too.
But anyway, did you headrolls experts had the same problem that worn out with practice ??

Thanky
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject:

yup.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't f*ck your neck.

Practise solid for hours and you're gonna be sore. Take it easy.
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:49 am    Post subject:

never had a problem with my neck for head rolls and juggling. More likely to get messed up from hovering over the computer screen or sleeping funny.

I recommend qi gong for softening the neck. If enough time is spent, then youe body will start becoming elastic and soft. neck + soft &elastic; = good.
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