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BackArm Roll

Image contributed byferret
Image uploaded2000-09-28
Views so far2112
Last Edit2001-09-09
Author: kverens

This move is quite tricky to do, as you need to stretch your catching hand out beyond the elbow to catch the ball as it leaves the elbow - the feeling is awkward.

It\'s worth it in the end, as rolls on the back of the arm are very hard to do, and so impressive when you show them to a fellow CJer. A non CJer, on the other hand, will consider it just another hard thing.

For your next trick, try learning to roll the ball to the elbow, and instead of dropping into the cradle, try rolling the ball back again to it\'s own cradle.

Author: ian
the back arm roll, once you get it down well, can then be made into a cool isolation. you roll the ball same as before, but push your arm under the ball to match the rolling speed, effectivly keeping the ball in the same spot in front of you. the hard part of this isolation is the arm change, but with a mirror or a video camera, it is no more difficult than learning the backa arm roll itself. (this is mostly a test of the add notes feature)
Author: chicken
I agree with Ian on this one. In fact, in my learning how to do the backarmroll, it started out as an isolation, since I had a hard time moving the ball and not my arm. Now I can do it both ways. There is a variation of this move that I have been trying to perfect, in which you make the catch on the back of your hand- Behind the back- this requires great flexability, and I would highly recommend stretching before attempting it.
Author: Artemis
I keep losing the ball at my wrist. Has anyone else run into this problem??? If so how did you avoid it?
Author: marco

One thing that really helped me in becomming good in the armroll is that I learned to really streach my fingers (I think I can see Ferret do this as well). In the arm this then creates a flatter surface for the ball to roll on (in my arm it even creates a sort of roll-gully, from the wrist to halfway up the arm, between two sets of muscels.

Once past the wrist you are likely to lose the ball before it rolls over the elbow. I don't have a real tip to compensate for that but your audience won't know that you missed the complete armroll.

And if you over-compensate (the ball rolls to much on the body side of the arm) then it is not to difficult to go into an inside chestroll.

Author: Ferret
Artemis there are some notes concerning this in 'step #9' in essays, if this does not help ask again in detail and we'll see what we can come up with.
Author: KS
I discovered this nifty little gem while I was still learning back-back passes. I wouldn't have my sending hand bent far enough forward towards the catching hand and the ball would just go all the way down my arm. Then instead of making a desperate catch with the palm, I just caught it in the cradle.
Author: katafunk
in moschen's video he does it as an isolation. and yes, i too am having trouble keeping the ball from rolling off at my wrist. but ill keep trying. DRAKE
Author: kest
when you hold the ball on the back of your hand, you don't want it rolling down your wrist, so you compensate, often by sticking your wrist up in the air. That can mess you up if you're trying to start a back arm roll from the cradle. Solution: try working on your arm rolls straight out of a butterfly. Gives you the right inclination, with generally a flat hand and wrist. Just let it keep going...
Author: Artemis
I was practicing this move and stumbled upon just that kest. I realized that I just needed more momentum and I have got it down in my "good" hand/arm and now I am working on my other. Thanx all for your help (especially ferret ;) ), Artemis
Author: Shadow
I cant seem to turn the back arm roll into the front arm roll. What happens is as soon as it gets to my elbow and i turn my my forearm over it rolls off to the right, how can i stop this and make the transition in to the front arm roll? THANX SHADOW
Author: plregaud
It is possible to extend this move by catching the ball without stopping its movement. You extend the arm that catches the ball to the maximum, trying to follow the previous trajectory that the ball had on your arm. For this, it is important to keep the two arms parallel (but crossed). When your arm is extended to the maximum you just bring it back smoothly and try the other side.
Author: kverens

Shadow: to move from the back-arm roll into the fore-arm roll, you should roll the ball as if you're going into a chest roll, then turn your arm out so the palm is up, and the forearm is outstretched and almost perpendicular to the body, instead of parallel, as it is in the back-arm roll.

An interesting variation is to hold your right arm out parallel to the chest, and the left arm alongside it, nearer to the chest, so it's fingers are resting on the right arm's biceps. Roll a ball from the right cradle to the right elbow, and then onto the left arm, and down the left arm to the right cradle again. I have managed this with two balls rolling at a time (in opposite directions), but I hear it is possible with three.

Author: guest
The best tip for back arm rolls is to use a lighter 'rubber' ball to get used to it. This helps because it is easier to keep in control of the ball. Also it is good to think of each and every centimeter of the arm that the ball goes over. This makes you actually put the ball in the right place.
Author: ljane
kverens: When you first learnt to do chest rolls did you go into it from a back arm roll or a front arm roll? thankyou!!
Author: kverens
I first learned from the front, but have since found that the back is much simpler. I guess it's a matter of getting comfortable with your arm rolls. This should really have been asked under either of the chestrolls.
Author: ljane
Gee i'm sorry!! as long as people get the idea does it matter!!
Author: ian
yes, it does matter. we are trying to keep the site well organized, this incudes keeping relative information in an area where other curious people will look for it and avoid the same question being asked repeatedly.